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Detective: ‘We’ve only scratched the surface’

Detective: ‘We’ve only scratched the surface’


SPECIFICALLY ON THE DAY OF THE INCIDENT, ON JUNE THE 18th, 2014, AND REVIEWING THE COMPUTERS AND PHONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF THE DEFENDANT’S, DID YOU UNCOVER ANYTHING, WHAT HE WAS DOING DURING THAT DAY WHILE HIS CHILD WAS OUT IN THE CAR?>>YES.>>OKAY. WHAT DID YOU UNCOVER?>>HE WAS HAVING UP TO SIX DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT WOMEN, IT APPEARED, FROM THE MESSAGES FROM KICK, MOSTLY, WHICH IS A MESSAGING SERVICE.>>AND IS THAT A COMPUTER RELATED MESSAGING SERVICE?>>IT IS.>>AND THESE CONVERSATIONS HE’S HAVING WITH THESE FEMALES, WERE THESE — OF WHAT NATURE WERE THEY?>>THE MOST COMMON TERM WOULD BE SEXTING.>>WERE PHOTOS BEING SENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THESE WOMEN AND THE DEFENDANT DURING THIS DAY WHILE THE CHILD IS OUT IN THE CAR?>>YES, THERE WERE PHOTOS OF HIS EXPOSED PENIS, ERECT PENIS BEING SENT. THERE WERE ALSO PHOTOS OF WOMEN’S BREASTS BEING SENT BACK TO HIM.>>NOW, DID YOU ACTUALLY — HAVE YOU LOCATED EVERY ONE OF THESE GIRLS HE’S HAD CONTACT WITH?>>I HAVE NOT.>>HAVE YOU LOCATED ANY OF THEM?>>I HAVE LOCATED TWO OF THEM.>>THE FIRST ONE, I WON’T USE THE USER NAME. BUT I GUESS LET ME FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE OLDER ONE, DID YOU SPEAK WITH HER?>>I DID.>>AND WHAT DID SHE SAY?>>SHE STATED SHE HAD FIRST MET ROSS, AND SHE KNEW HIM AS ROSS THROUGH SCOUT, WHICH IS ANOTHER MESSAGING SERVICE. AND THAT HE HAD MET UP AND THAT HE WANTED TO HOOK UP WITH HER.>>AND DID SHE TALK TO YOU AND CONFIRM THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU SAW ON THESE CHATS BACK AND FORTH?>>YES, SHE DID.>>OKAY.>>NOW, I’M GOING TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION. WAS THERE ALSO ANOTHER GIRL THAT YOU MET, AND THAT YOU’VE SPOKEN WITH.>>I HAVE. >>AND HOW OLD IS THAT GIRL?>>SHE IS 17 AT THIS TIME.>>HOW OLD WAS SHE — >>JUDGE, I’M GOING OBJECT. I LET A LITTLE BIT OF THIS GO, BUT I DON’T SEE HOW THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.>>YOUR HONOR, IT GOES — >>THIS IS GOING THAT’S GOING ON DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, I DON’T THINK IT’S RELEVANT. WHAT WOULD BE RELEVANT WOULD BE THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THE CHILD WAS INITIALLY LEFT IN THE CAR.>>YOUR HONOR, THIS GOES TO NEGLIGENCE THROUGH THE DAY, WHAT HE’S DOING THROUGH THE DAY INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT HIS KID. IT ALSO GOES TO MOTIVE AND MARITAL PROBLEMS BETWEEN HE AND HIS WIFE AND HIS UNHAPPINESS.>>I’M UNCLEAR AS TO THE TIME FRAME.>>YES, I’LL CLEAR IT UP. AND SO THESE MESSAGES AND THESE CHATS, THEY START IN THE MORNING?>>THEY DO.>>OKAY. AND DID THEY CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE DAY?>>THEY DO.>>AND WHEN DID THEY END?>>AROUND 3:00 THAT AFTERNOON.>>SO ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE HE LEFT.>>OVERRULE THE OBJECTION.>>NOW THE 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL, WERE THESE CHATS OF THE — OR NOW 17, THEY STARTED WHEN SHE WAS 16.>>CORRECT.>>DID THESE — WERE THESE SEXUALLY INVOLVED AS WELL?>>THEY WERE.>>OKAY. DID SHE SEND HIM A PICTURE THAT DAY?>>SHE DID.>>OF WHAT.>>SHE SENT A PICTURE OF HER EXPOSED BREASTS.>>AND DID HE SEND ANY PICTURES TO HER.>>HE DID SEND A PICTURE OF HIS EXPOSED ERECT PENIS.>>WE TALKED ABOUT THESE COMPUTERS. HAVE YOU GUYS DONE EXAMINATIONS ON THESE COMPUTERS?>>WE HAVE.>>ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR EXAMINATION OF THESE COMPUTERS?>>WE’VE ONLY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE.>>NOW BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THESE COMPUTERS AND OTHER DEVICES HE’S HAD CONTACT WITH, IS IT OBVIOUS HE HAS DELETED SOME OF THE THINGS FROM CROSS REFERENCING SOME OF THESE THINGS.>>YES. >>I’M GOING TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION, MOTIVE AS TO HIS MARITAL STATUS, ISSUES AND HIS STATE OF MIND. DID THE WIFE TELL YOU ANYTHING THEY WERE HAVING ANY PROBLEMS IN THEIR MARRIAGE?>>LEE ANNA STATED THEY WERE HAVING INTIMACY PROBLEMS.>>GOING BACK TO SHOW HOW FAR THIS HAS BEEN IN HIS MIND AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, DID SOME MESSAGES WITH EVEN DIFFERENT GIRLS FROM BACK IN 2013 CONFIRM THAT HE HAD BEEN — >>JUDGE — I’M GOING TO OBJECT AGAIN. IF THIS IS BEING OFFERED SOMEHOW TO PROVE MOTIVE, I DON’T KNOW WHAT IN THE WORLD SOMETHING BACK IN 2013 HAS GOT TO DO WITH THIS AT ALL. THERE’S — THERE HAS BEEN NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER BETWEEN THE EVENTS OF THAT DAY AND THE DEATH OF THIS CHILD AND THIS FANTASY TEXTING OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE’S NO CONNECTION AT ALL.>>JUDGE — >>REPEAT YOUR QUESTION. >>OKAY. SPECIFICALLY TO THE MOTIVE OR ISSUE OF HAVING MARITAL PROBLEMS — >>LET ME HEAR THE QUESTION.>>OKAY, I’M SORRY. DID HE HAVE CHATS REGARDING SEXUAL ACTIVITIES WITH OTHER WOMEN WHILE HIS WIFE WAS SLEEPING AND WHILE HIS CHILD WAS IN THE ROOM SOMEWHERE.>>WELL, AGAIN, WHAT TIME FRAME ARE WE — I’M SORRY, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK IN 2013, TO 2014, ONGOING ACTIVITY.>>SO YOUR CONTENTION IS THAT PROVES MOTIVE HOW?>>IT PROVES MOTIVE BECAUSE HE WAS UNHAPPY IN HIS MARRIAGE. WE PLAN TO SHOW HE WANTED TO LIVE A CHILD-FREE LIFE OR THERE IS EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT BASED ON HIS INTERNET SEARCHES.>>WELL, I’M STILL GOING TO OBJECT, JUDGE. IF — IF YOU’RE UNHAPPY IN YOUR MARRIAGE, YOU GET A DIVORCE. THIS IS — WE’RE A LONG, LONG WAY FROM HAVING SOME SORT OF FANTASY TEXTING SITUATION TO THE DEATH OF A CHILD. THERE’S NO CONNECTION THERE AT ALL. SO I’M GOING TO OBJECT TO THIS. IT’S JUST NOT RELEVANT.>>JUDGE — >>WELL, THIS IS A PROBABLE CAUSE HEARING. AND THERE’S NO JURY. AND THE COURT WILL CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE FOR WHATEVER WEIGHT AND VALUE IT SHOULD BE GIVEN IN THE COURT’S DETERMINATION OF PROBABLE CAUSE. SO OVERRULE THE OBJECTION. >>AND I’LL JUST SPEED THIS ALONG. DID — WERE THERE SEX AND TEXT MESSAGES TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HIS WIFE KNEW HE HAD CHEATED ON HER BEFORE?>>YES, THERE WERE.>>OKAY. AND LET’S TALK ABOUT AND MOVE UP TO ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE CHILD’S DEATH. WITH ONE OF THESE PEOPLE HE WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH, DID HE TALK ABOUT EXPOSING HIMSELF WHILE HE’S CHATTING AND MESSAGING THIS GIRL.>>YES.>>AND WAS HE SENDING PICTURES?>>YES.>>AND DID HE ADMIT TO HER HE WAS NOT ALONE WHILE DOING IT?>>YES.>>AND — >>JUDGE, I’M — WE’RE GETTING SO FAR AFIELD FROM THE EVENTS OF JUNE THE 18th. THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE EVENTS WHATSOEVER. THE STATUS OF HIS MARRIAGE AND HIS FANTASY LIFE, HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENTS OF JUNE THE 18th. WE’RE JUST GETTING SO FAR AFIELD, JUDGE. THIS ISN’T RELEVANT TO ANYTHING.>>JUDGE, THIS GOES TO HIS STATE OF MIND IN THE TWO WEEKS OF THE DEATH OF THE CHILD.>>THIS OCCURRED WITHIN TWO WEEKS?>>YES, SIR. >>OVERRULE THE OBJECTION.>>WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT HIM EXPOSING HIMSELF TO HER AND THERE BEING SOMEBODY ELSE THERE, WHAT DID SHE SAY?>>I JUST OBJECT. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?>>THIS OTHER PERSON HE IS MESSAGING WITH.>>IS HE ONE OF THE TWO WE KNOW ABOUT?>>SEVERAL OTHER GIRLS, JUDGE.>>OKAY. OVERRULE THE OBJECTION. YES, SIR.>>WE DON’T EVEN KNOW IF IT’S A GIRL. IF IT’S JUST SOME PERSON WE IDENTIFIED?>>WELL, WOULD IT BE LESS RELEVANT IF IT WERE A MAN?>>I’LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, JUDGE. AND FROM LOOKING AT THE CONTACTS, DID YOU CONFIRM VIA PICTURE AND NAME AND WAS THIS A FEMALE?>>THE PROFILE SHE PUT ONLINE IS THAT SHE WAS A FEMALE.>>AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT FANTASY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. DID YOU CONFIRM THROUGH TEXT AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THIS WAS MORE THAN FANTASY AND HE HAD ACTUALLY MET UP FOR THINGS?>>YES.>>>AND ONE OF THOSE OCCASIONS, IN CHEROKEE COUNTY?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>JUDGE, AGAIN, I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO GO FROM THIS. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS SOMETHING THAT HE’S MET UP WITH SOMEBODY, WHETHER HE HAS OR NOT? LAST MONTH, LAST YEAR? WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH THE EVENTS OF JUNE 13th?>>WELL — >>18th.>>AS MR. BORNS EXPLAINED REPEATEDLY, IT’S WHAT HE FEELS IS EVIDENCE OF MOTIVE. HOWEVER, I THINK YOU HAVE BEAT THE HORSE TO DEATH, MR. BORE. IF YOU’LL MOVE ON TO FACTS OF THE CASE.>>THANK YOU. AND YOUR HONOR, MAY I TAKE ONE MORE SHOT AT THE HORSE, JUST TO EXPLAIN HIS STATE OF MIND ONE DAY LATER. IT’S NOT TO DO WITH THE SEXTING.>>IS IT THE FINAL QUESTION ON THIS TOPIC?>>IT IS.>>GO AHEAD.>>DETECTIVE, ON THE 5th OF JUNE, HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A GUITAR PLAYER WITH THIS GIRL. SHE ASKS HIM ABOUT CHEATING ON HIS WIFE. DID SHE ASK HIM A QUESTION ABOUT HIS CONSCIENCE?>>SHE DID.>>WHAT DID SHE ASK?>>SHE IS WHO?>>SHE IS THIS OTHER GIRL HE IS SEXTING WITH.>>OBJECTION.>>FINAL QUESTION, MR. KILGORE. I’M GOING TO ALLOW A QUESTION AND ANSWER AND THEN WE’RE MOVING ON.>>SHE S

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99 thoughts on “Detective: ‘We’ve only scratched the surface’

  1. Prosecutor Scumbag defends setting while son is dying in hot car! NO morals, compassion, or justice! Just wants to get his filthy money!

  2. His disgusting monster his just eww 🤮poor baby died because of him one thing I don’t understand in some parents situation is how can you forget you have a child in your car like how babies make noise or when a child is sleeping and you look into the mirror you can see at the back u have child there so tell me how is this possible to forget your CHILD UR BABY?

  3. Yep has no relevance to the situation, not like he tried to kill his baby or anything and blame the grief on his wife to run off with some chick on a messaging app!? Right? Cause that would be crazy!?

  4. What a dirtbag. What kind of women would want to exchange sex texts with him? Some people have no morals at all….or taste.

  5. That lawyer is full of crap. It has a relevence to the case because he was in such a hurry to go sexting he forgot about the child. That's IF it was an accident of negligence. Which I doubt.

  6. dumpy frumpy ugly troll who would touch that , im surprised the little boy was so beautiful from a monster like him , unreal !

  7. Fucking witch trial. I dont think he did this on purpose. And sexting isnt a fuckin crime u dumb pig judge and prosecutor. Im glad i live in the uk and not the US. Your justice system stinks.

  8. It kinda makes me feel uncomfortable that they’re laughing and joking at one point … maybe I’m just sensitive

  9. If you have to look twice in ur car cuz u cant remember if u have a kid in ur car or not….you need to be sterilized and not allowed to raise children. Smdh. Fucking people. Dedede

  10. man he is one gross pos pig!! Who in the hell would even want him period? Talk about having a double life.I feel so bad for his wife, not only is her child dead due to this pig monster she has to hear about his many affairs even with a under age girl. He needs shot.

  11. They are perverts! both judge and cop! why the fuck do they care if he was rubbing his dick on their face, or if he was cumming inside her asshole, or inside her mouth? why they care if he was cheating his wife? And why nobody speaks out? Is the entire country mentally sick? WTF are they sneaking in your hamburgers? What are they spraying you with? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!

  12. Why did it take him 30 seconds to exit the car? Because he was saying a final goodbye to his son. Why did he go back to the car with lightbulbs? To check and see if his baby died yet.

  13. I dont think he intentionally killed the child… he was so 'hard' thats all he thought about and totally forgot he had a child …. disgusting filthy piece of shit ! hang I say !

  14. Oh no, this dude was sexting underage girls? That poor baby, what a selfish, unattractive man. He needs to be punished. God rest the soul of his son.

  15. I think the guy has a mental illness, but didn't kill his child intentionally shocking that he would want to kill his child wow the devil got him through spirit of lust to commit murder through his sins

  16. I kind of think that him sexting those girls may not necessarily build motive but would actually show that he was not focused on his wife and child, that they were so far from his mind, that he didn't really care about them, which is WHY he forgot about his son in the back seat so quickly. If I were the defense lawyer, that is how I would have countered the prosecution's motive argument. I'm not saying that's what I think or believe, just saying from a defense lawyer's strategical position.

  17. Gotta love how the attorney keeps insisting that a potential child murderer repeatedly cheating and sexting teenagers for years before murdering his own child to get out of his obligations isn't relevant to him murdering said child. Jesus christ lmao.

  18. dude is tripping for real1 His wife is smoking hot and he had a beautiful baby. he had the perfect life some of us only wish we could have and to throw it all away like that! I am at a loss for words……

  19. Oh god, shuuuut the fuck up lawyer!!! You are defending a bad bad person, how. An you look at yourself in the mirror?

  20. What a loser Harris is. it is obvious that he purposely killed the child. Harris" attorney is a moron! Was mother also guilty?

  21. He was texting while he finds out he killed his son…! Wow!!! Tuff love. I really don't think he did it on purpose, because he was all the time texting and trying to relief him self. By the time he got at work was so into it that he forgat the baby. I believe he didn't love that child as a father, because he would've give importance to the death of his child and in stead he was texting to other females to get relief, but it didn't go like he thought. He doesn't even look normal. His wife was really blinded by love.

  22. I watched the video of when his wife came to the precent and she was in the room with him alone she said to him in a really low voice you didn’t say too much did you,,,,,They’re both in on it guilty as hell shame on them if they didn’t want that child they should’ve just gave the child to the state

  23. If every person that cheated on their spouse either in fantasy or fact, , killed their child, there might be relevance. If that was the case the population would be halved or more. .

  24. All this Sexual Footage And Body Parts? Damn what an idiot I would have gone in there and literally slapped him in the face until his face is really red

  25. And be like What The Hell Is wrong with you??? A 16 year old 17 or 18 would be doing those types of Body parts footage man that guy clearly stupid and unaware of what he did was wrong him being his age should know better

  26. His an ugly ogre heartless cheater!! Planning to leave his wife for another women, but he doesn't want to pay child support!! Bingo!!!
    It's not a complicated case, send that ugly ogre to a hell pit asap!!

  27. the only reason the mother divorced him is because she found out he was cheating, not because her son was murdered, outrageous what women put up with to have a sorry ass man .

  28. He looks sinister just the way he upholds himself. With all these other girls on his phone is motive alone how do you go in take your baby and eat and then forgetting that quick probably not even finishing his breakfast before he goes in cause it looked as if he still had a fountain drink still in his hands when he's walking into work. How does a person do this?

  29. How in the hell can any human being deliberately leave his baby in the car. Sorry sorry ass man!!!! Throw him in jail in a hot cell for the rest of his life. My gosh how his wife must feel. Rip baby Copper

  30. So, you're unhappy in your marriage and instead of talking to your wife and trying to work things out, or get a separation, you sext underage girls and try to arrange hookups, killing your child in the process.

  31. What on earth would a 16 year old see in that fat ugly prick? I used to run from troglodytes like him who tried to hit on me when I was 16.

  32. He had seen it on the news that it happens so often with other idiots to forget their baby in the car so he thought Hey that's a good idea maybe I should do that. I am glad he is Not getting away with it. Fat Bitch Boy with No Conscience!

  33. unless they can prove that it was connected to the crime in specific ways it is legally irrelevant no matter what the public thinks. all rights reserved

  34. there are teens who tell people they are older than they are in person and on-line. that needs to be looked into as to whether those teens lied about their age. a good investigator looks at all info objectively. all rights reserved

  35. there are millions of people who cheat but don't physically harm anyone. not always a motive for physical harm. unless they can show the texting was part of a motive to kill it isn't legally relevant. all rights reserved

  36. A word of advice to all you sic twisted people who send photos of your junk or other stuff over cell phones or P.C's YOU ARE AWARE that your suffering from a clinical condition

  37. That idiot that keeps objecting this ihas nothing to do with June 18 there trying to find a motive idiot

  38. Silly man child u went from loving father with marriage issues to child murderer and nobody will want you

  39. he would be 7 now in 2019… he acted and looked like the perfect baby in my eyes.. POOR COOPER :(((((((((((((((((((((

  40. I'm so fucking glad the dad looked embarrassed, he should definitely be called out for such horrible wrong doings.

  41. 4:10 the guy at the podium i guess you could call it that, he looks so annoyed lol, that guy is objecting for no reason just to skip off the subject of him texting an underage girl.

  42. I hope this man rotts in hell! He left his child on purpose, it was premeditated and wanted to make it look as an accident. He is a monster.

  43. @8:55 there was reason for all that questioning It is revenant to the case and he knew it. Last answer “NOPE”

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