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Kwame McKenzie: British Multiculturalism

Kwame McKenzie: British Multiculturalism



and we welcome back for the fourth of his five consecutive nights here on the agenda clan Mackenzie medical director of diversity and mental health a cam a shin a professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto we're talking about your home and native land tonight sir the UK here's British multiculturalism according to the CIA factbook this is what the numbers say Michael if you would the white population of the United Kingdom more than ninety two percent blacks make up two percent Indians almost two percent Pakistanis at one point three percent so-called mixed at one point two and everybody else at one point six why don't we start with this how what's your explanation for how Britain got to this particular ethnic composition or most of the people who have come to Britain have been invited to come in labor shortages and after the war in the 50s and the 60s so these are people from the colonies so the vast majority of immigration is from the colonies with a small number of people coming from parts of Africa due to war and so we've got some refugees but but mainly that's what it's due to just recently things have been changing though because the European Union have changed the rules so that the doors are open anybody from Europe can come and work in the UK and so in the last say for instance two or three years maybe five years now they've been up to between quarter and a half a million Europeans people from Poland people from Romania and people from Hungary who come to the UK Romania just recently a famous polish plumbers gained the famous yeah famous polish plumbers campaign even to the point where some English plumbers were pretending to be polish because the stereotype was and it just shows how stereotypes can be positive or negative the stereotype was that polish plumbers were cheaper which they were not and were better which the jury's out on the British plumbers were saying they were polish know when you say from the colonists you mean the Commonwealth old colonies so God the old colonies so so the Indian subcontinent from India pakistan bangladesh or from the caribbean colonies they became independent afterwards but yes from the Commonwealth I guess okay now in in this country obviously most immigrants live in the major cities of the country is it that way in the UK as well yes the vast majority of immigrants eighty eighty-five percent are living in big cities are living in London by living in Birmingham they're living in bristol a living in Liverpool and Manchester but London is the biggest population and do they live in what you might call I guess for lack of a better expression ethnic enclaves not so much not know yes and no in that one of the differences between that I find and everybody finds when they come to Canada is Canada's vast England is small it's a very small place and because of that there's a population is 50 million in there's much smaller area than Canada and so the the population densities quite high people are next to each other so even in London when people talk about an ethnic Enclave that can be three or four streets from a completely different area two percent of marriages were told in England and Wales are so-called inter-ethnic whereas in Canada the figure that also includes common-law marriages is around four percent twice as much proportionately we're told does that say anything to you about how well different cultures mix in the UK vs over here no it seems to say that it's very similar so ninety-two percent of the population in the UK is white and about eighty percent of the population of canada is non-immigrant and that doesn't mean white white doesn't mean on they don't equate but but just say for instance just for argument's sake and there are twice as many immigrants in canada as there are in the UK there's twice as much intermarriage in the UK as there in canada as errors in the UK seems about the same since the orchard yeah yeah does it still raise eyebrows for exam you know depends where you are in this country but I suspected the big cities of this country if you saw a black husband and a white wife for example walk down the street together I mean I know in this downtown Toronto nobody take notice but in in the UK with that kind of thing still raise an eyebrow or two not usually but it would depend where you are because it's very similar to Canada some concentrated cities where there are a lot of there's a lot of diversity but if you go down to sort of some of the rural parts of the UK you don't see very much in a way of a cultural diversity you don't see very many different black or brown faces so there people might be more inquiring than in from the city but generally I don't think that many people care that much about that because on TV you see it all the time now in what situation comedies or that kind of thing or well yeah I mean the first I think the first interracial kiss on TV was in Star Trek it wasn't it was in Star Trek and but you know it's not a sort of something that is taboo and it's not something that is quite so irregular now and we should clarify for the younger viewers or what's not sick well we say Star Trek we don't mean the jean luc picard next generation we mean the original classic it was William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols don't try and draw me into this so the next generation on general not Mexican right move move on okay moving right along here's another thing this is from a publication called secure border safe haven integration and diversity in modern Britain it's from the Home Office and here's what they say to enable integration to take place and to value the diversity it brings we meaning the UK need to be secure within our sense of belonging and identity and therefore to be able to reach out and to embrace those who come to the UK having a clear workable and robust nationality and asylum system is the prerequisite to building the security and trust that is needed without it we cannot defeat those who would seek to stir up hate intolerance and Prejudice ok this is I guess some sense about what the UK considers to be its model of multiculturalism would you say that it's closer to Canada's mosaic or a mayor oguz melting pot it's probably closer to the melting pot so this is from people who are more on the right wing of a public opinion in the UK and their idea is well we've got to have a plan now you know from everything I always says having a plan is good because then you can discuss what the plan should be they've got a plan they say if people are coming we need to know what they're coming for and we need to decide what we're going to do with them now take remember that there isn't very much immigration into the UK anymore and most of the new immigrants are either from the European Union or they're refugees and asylum seekers and you know primary immigration from the Caribbean and from a sort of India and Pakistan is is very rare slow down much yes slow down so you there isn't that much immigration so what they're saying is we want a plan if people are coming they have to be coming for something they've got to have a plan of what we're going to do with them they meet and that's good because you know when you're coming what's possible and you know you can plan for it but they also say that we need to have a robust national identity and me and the Americans do that and it's very clear it it's surprising when I was in state spent some time in the States going to American schools and hearing them sort of the national anthem they have a flag outside I mean we don't we don't play the national anthem in UK schools and there's no flag outside so right there's just not done it's not done but then it's done here I know I know but not just in the stage they do that here they don't do that there no and it's an interesting thing I had always thought it was something about nation building so in Canada's relatively new country and is thinking about nation building and is taking in immigrants to help build the nation and therefore is spending time thinking about who Canada is what the identity of Canada is and building some sort of cohesion the UK is bringing people in you know from the colonies who have actually spent a lot of time learning about what it is to be British because a British system of even exams are the exams you take at school permeates the school system in all the colonies so these are people who know what it is to be British my hunch is the vast majority of Canadians if you asked them approve of the country's multiculturalism idea they think it makes us a better more interesting place to live and I wonder you know we saw the numbers earlier 92 plus percent of Brits are white what does that average white brit or you know citizen of the United Kingdom think about his country's or her country's diversity depends what you're asking them so the most common meal if people going out for a meal in the UK the most common meal that people will go out to buy as a chicken tikka masala yeah we some people think of you know roast beef and Yorkshire pudding or fish and chips as a national dish the national dish in the UK is a chicken tikka masala we don't have the happened in the 90s when chicken tikka masala was invented in the UK and it that Matt's that is you know I mean it when I say it's the national dish that mean by de facto it is because it's the thing that people go out so whether but you know as far as that goes people are all signed up for multiculturalism as far as the soccer team people are going you know happy about multiculturalism as far as the arts people are happy with multiculturalism and I hear a but coming or dit where is the line drive but not everybody's happy and not everybody's happy because as always happens when there are problems as there are in the UK at the moment economically people look at people who they think of as you know the other people or the last in should be the first out and they're the people who they think are taking their jobs half a million people in the UK at the recent election voted for the British national party the sort of far right-wing party that wants that one time wanted to repatriate immigrants people from ethnic cultural groups repatriate basically means ethnically cleanse right it's not a nice way to put it yeah kick them out kick them out nicely nicely ask them to need nice yes because it has to stay within the law otherwise they come here bona fide a political party half a million people voted for I got no seats though no and this is one of the interesting things with the idea of changing it to a proportional representation model because they might get seats oldest yes because there are some there are parties that are actually smaller than them such as the Scottish National Party and apply comer e which is a Welsh national party who poll smaller numbers and get since well as long as are on the issue of the Parliament over there let's talk about the election that had just transpired and I want to put a picture up to get this part of our discussion started the election of course has got David Cameron is the new conservative Prime Minister supported by Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats and here's the photo of the new cabinet and the cabinet I guess most of it three-quarters of it at least looks pretty much like every other cabinet in British history but in the front it is pretty hard to miss Saeed Anwar see who was the first Muslim woman to sit in a british cabinet 27 people also elected as MPs from African Asian or Caribbean descent that's almost double the previous number those numbers don't stack up too well compared to us but for Britain I gather it's a big development what does that say to you well that says a number of things i mean i think the when i looked at the picture to start off with that picture was very very very very white and male it looked like the same old people doing the same old thing with the addition of a few women who nicely put at the front of the picture so that you couldn't miss them and you know she I think is I think she's isn't she the daughter of a she's a daughter of an immigrant she's second-generation so she's a daughter of a man from Pakistan who came with nothing and made his way up as a dile a manufacturer and then sends it to one of the best public schools in the country and she's in the cabinet good for her the question is it good for anybody else what's the answer I don't know let's see what what see what she does with it it'll she flames out it won't be great no and if she if she does well that's good i mean i was all for the idea of women coming into parliament and it's great but then you know in the UK we had Margaret Thatcher and she was a disaster it's an always depends who you talk to us so it depends who you talk to not everybody obviously thought she was a disaster she won a lot that's rude not everybody not everybody does that so that's true and but you know that wasn't that's my thing and that's my opinion but is it mean obviously the symbolism of having that woman of color in the cabinet you know says something what do you think it says anything more than tokenism I don't think it is tokenism I think she's there on her merits because they were trying to get in more women and they were trying to get in clever women and she is a clever woman and that's good and she's a clever woman who happens to be a Muslim and that's great and she's not first a black or a South Asian politician who's been in the cabinet there's Keith bars and other people who've been in the cabinet beforehand and it shows some progression but if you look at the cabinet the cabinet is in no way reflective of the population and nor is the parlor nor is the problem it only make up a cabinet from what you get xelement and things are moving forward slowly in the way that a how can we put it a country steeped in history it does move forward slowly turning around the Titanic it's moving in the right direction we hope I love the way you set a country steep in history you kind of spit that out i'm not sure you think that's necessarily a fabulous thing but we'll continue that guards I didn't think it was a bad thing I was trying to use the term to explain that sometimes history is something you build on and move forward and sometimes history is something that anchors you to the port when you're trying to move forward me that came through loud and clear I got it okay okay Quinn we'll do it one more time tomorrow okay okay thanks thanks very much

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13 thoughts on “Kwame McKenzie: British Multiculturalism

  1. My task here is to change minds, to make those who would sacrifice themselves and their families in the service of multiculturalism see that they're not acting in the service of good but of evil. 
     You do not sacrifice for love when you produce a society of hate and civil war and division, when you destroy a great people.

  2. I really do believe in peace and love between the peoples and the races of the world. I hate war and conflict and discord; and because I want peace and love, and because I respect the diversity of peoples I oppose so-called multiculturalism or massive immigration of different races or ethnic groups into mostly homogeneous nations.

  3. We know that so called 'multiculturalism' leads to greater crime, dislocation, racial insensitivity and racial tensions arise from it. The community's sense of brotherhood and togetherness and unity is destroyed by so called 'multiculturalism'.
     And when we look around the world and we see multicultural states and multicultural communities they tend to be far more violent, they tend to be far more disruptive, there's a lot less love and a lot more hate in those kinds of environments because it's Human nature.

  4. Multiculturalism can be imposed only by tyranny; it's never a result of the free will of the people. 
     In almost every case, governments that have embarked on multiracial immigration policies have done so in opposition to the people's wises. Widespread popular opposition to immigration found in America also exists in every other nation enduring massive alien immigration. Canada, Britain, France, Germany, and Italy have all had public-opinion poll showing strong opposition to immigration, while their governments have embarked on opposite policies.

  5. "Anti-racists" say there's a RACE problem. They say it'll be solved when non-Whites pour into ALL & ONLY White nations and "assimilate" to get a brown mixture.

    They say only White nations have this RACE problem; they say non-White nations are fine.

    If I object to my own genocide these "anti-racists" say I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they're anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

  6. I don’t understand what he means by the remark about immigrants that they know what it is to be British! If that was the case then there would be no multiculturalism, which there clearly is.
    There is one way of looking at multiculturalism it defines the other, i.e. non English, Scottish , Welsh or Irish. So embracing the concept of multiculturalism you are basically saying have your culture but you are not one of us, you are the other and shall remain the other foreign.

  7. No "anti-racists" demand diversity in Black or Brown areas.

    They say that ALL and ONLY White areas need to be diversified with non-Whites in order to "combat racism."

    Well, we can all see that these "anti-racists" are really just anti-WHITE.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  8. Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, White countries for everybody????
    Stop White genocide.
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

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