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Would Jesus have wanted Christianity? | Rob Bell

Would Jesus have wanted Christianity? | Rob Bell


Why is it so hard to love your neighbor? Well I mean if you think of in terms of evolution
and how we got here tribes and tribal affiliation kept us alive. So you had your group and it was your group
against the world. And there was a threat. At any time you had no idea where the threat
was coming from. And so the way that the species survived,
the way that we got here was people held to each other, stuck close to each other because
you never knew what threat was hiding in those bushes. You even think about early brain development. Is there a lion in the bush or not. The brain developed quite quickly this radar
for yes or no because if there is one I’m going to run this direction really fast. And so some of these impulses they served
us very well and got us to this point. But the way the development works is something
that may have gotten you to this point may now be in the way. I mean anybody want to go back to puberty? I don’t. I don’t have a problem with puberty. I’m quite grateful for puberty. I’m also grateful that I moved through it. Without it I couldn’t have gotten here. And so one of the keys to understanding how
we grow as humans and how we spiritually grow is something that served us well for a while. And now you transcend it, you move beyond
it but you’ve also included it. It’s not like you ignore it or avoid it
or deny it. It simply helped shape you into who you are. And so to this day for many people the other,
the one who isn’t like me, all of these primal instincts well up. Is this a threat? And could this person be a possible obstacle
to my thriving and growth? I don’t know. I have to do all sorts of assessment. My radar is on full when it comes to interacting
with those people. But the powerful thing that’s happening
now is more and more people and the moments that when you often grow the most are when
you are engaged. The moments when you engage with that person
who is the other, who is them, and you discover if you look far enough inside them that you
see yourself. And to me that’s the real challenge, the
real art, the real invitation is to look far enough into this person with the trust that
at some point I will see myself. I will see my struggles. I will see my challenges. I will see a bit of my story in them. I actually think Jesus would be mortified
that a religions started in his name. I think he’d be like, “You what?!” I think Jesus came to wake us up and remind
us of the shared humanity, the brother-and-sisterness of all of us. I don’t think he came to create another
division where people could say “Are you this or not this?”I find Jesus more compelling
than ever. I find his message of love, grace, compassion,
courage, a third way of nonviolence in the world, care for those who the system has not
worked for them—Love for the widow, the orphan and the immigrant among you—I find
his way, I find him more compelling than ever, I believe. But I think the last thing he came to do was
start another religion that would divide us even more. So when he says love your neighbor, which
was a text from his tradition, he’s quoting something there. If you love your neighbor, your neighbor could
be anybody! And suddenly you have bonds and connection
and solidarity with all sorts of people. That’s always the moments of greatest joy. So I don’t have really a problem with the
word Christian, unless it becomes this giant bulky thing that serves just to divide people
all the more when Jesus’ message was about bringing us together.

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100 thoughts on “Would Jesus have wanted Christianity? | Rob Bell

  1. Jesus was about bringing us all together unless you were a slave, a woman, or a homosexual…..Yup, that's love and equality.

  2. Jesus was one of many jewish religious/political messianic figures that opposed the Roman Empires rule over Judea. If there had been no Roman occupation, then there would have been no Jesus movement. He believed that the end of the world was immanent and that Roman rule would be replaced by God's rule upon the whole of the Earth = heaven on Earth = Jewish utopia, promised by the jewish prophets. Theologians describe Jesus as the eschatological prophet of the Kingdom of God upon Earth. Do any of the Christian churches preach Heaven on Earth? No. They are all preoccupied by an afterlife which the Jesus of Mark's gospel, the earliest one, is not interested in.

  3. This guys avoids the whole question! What an intellectual scammer. He’s trying to act like what he is saying is addressing the question. It does not. He sucks!

  4. Bullshit, his message was about bringing us all together. Apparently you haven't read the part about Jesus telling people they must absolutely hate their parents and siblings and spouses and children and even their own lives in order to be worthy to be his disciple. Plus, you know Jesus was just a fictional character with no evidence of having actually existed, right? And you know there were probably a dozen other saviors-born-of-a-virgin in religion and mythology long before christianity, right?

  5. I dont know what I think – often. This question is purely trivia – what did a person think 2000 years ago about a thing that exists today?

  6. I have to agree with you. All religions begin with a spiritual awakening of an individual. They are then misconstrued, misinterpreted and absorbed into cultural tribalism and politics. They become exclusive and advance an us versus them mentality. Humanity is now in a precarious position. If we do not evolve our reign as a species is coming to an end.

  7. We can't find god within ourselves…there is no way out there…the Jesus message is for message about our spirit…there is a plot from time to time it's an experiment from god itself, and we can draw a line from that, for what we alive, the messenger still exits in our life from time to time until now and if we found one of them usually we avoid them..
    Darwin realize that evolution theories does exits I agree with that but not in physical mechanisms, actually he misinterpreted, it should be journey of our soul/spirit evolution of our spirit, it connected to reincarnation theories that really appropriate to the law of energy..we should learn form China religion…because the message about reincarnation is from there..

  8. No because he didn't do all those magic tricks, he was a regular guy but the story made about him (bible) turned him into a super hero, for grown ups, but a super hero no more.

  9. the emporor like science and logic.
    god said worship no other gods but me.
    fill in the blank.

  10. Dawkins addressed this same issue over a decade ago in one of his documentaries, and said that we should expand the definition of our "tribe" to include all of humanity. Imagine that.

  11. If Jesus had actually lived, I don’t think he would’ve wanted Christianity, at least, not the way it is now. He wouldn’t have approved of people calling themselves prophets, claiming to be “anointed” by god, while getting rich conning and robbing their congregations. He actually didn’t think there was a place for the rich in Heaven, nor did he think so for those who claimed fraudulently to have done works in his name. He definitely wouldn’t approve of the Catholic Church’s failure to protect its youngest parishioners from its priests. He was also a proponent for the separation between church and state. So much for the evangelical political movement. As for him not wanting to cause a division, I disagree.

    Matt 10:34-37: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

    For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law–

    a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

    Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    You see, Jesus has no problem with being divisive.

  12. The so-called "peaceful" teachings of Christianity.

    Leviticus 20:13 – King James Version (KJV)

    <13> If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    Jude 8 – King James Version (KJV)

    <8> Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

    2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

  13. Hi Rob, your “BIG THINK” message offends any Christian that would be willing to watch it. But because your are my brother and my neighbor, I am going to try to be as nice and as Christian in my answer as I can. What you said above proves you know very little or nothing about the Christ, his ministry, and his sacrifice. You picked your favor parts about him being the true first radical, and him preaching a message of love and missed all the other elements. His intent was to start the Christian faith. But nothing is perfect when you put people in charge of it and that goes for every believe system, political system, and government system. When a small number of people control the message and have absolute power over that message then it is shaped to their benefit and not the masses. Your argument is very flawed and you should reach out to people that can teach you about the true Jesus and his timeless message. Their are a lot of people in this world that have spent a very long time learning about the religious and historical Christ that I think you should either read their books or ask them to sit down with you. It is always very sad when someone tries to define Jesus in their terms when they should realize their is only his terms. #WeAreSecond #FlippingTheMoneyChanger’sTables, God Bless.

  14. Jesus “think not I come to bring peace, but a sword” he was all about dividing light from the dark (and still is)

  15. Most people doesn't realize that original Christianity was way different from the ones that succeeded it (Catholicism and Orthodoxy). Original Christians accepted women as equals and even allowed females as head preachers, doesn't like slavery and are among the first group of people who abhor the conditions of slaves in the roman empire, true pacifists, was actually open to people of different nationalities, sharing and hellping is a must and poor members often get a share of grain/bread/beans from more well-off followers/members. and most of all they don't force people into their own beliefs and respect the variety of cultures around them. Unfortunately, Christians were also the most oppressed people in the Roman Empire and it forced some people to make drastic changes to the religion to ensure their survival and attract more Roman elites into the cause. These Roman elites wanted to keep their power/wealth though (and also keep some Roman traditions as well). Suddenly women were unable to hold priest positions, forced conversion became an accepted tactic, use of slave which was against the teachings of Christ were justified (although brutal and inhumane treatments of them have lessen), violence as a means to forwarding the interests of the Church were uphold by those same elites who just entered the religion to gain more power, wealth, and influence. It's just not the same old belief system. What was once an ideology of sharing, understanding, forgiveness, respect, love, pacifism, and equality became morphed into a powerful tool that greedy people throughout history would exploit to forward their agendas. Jesus will not recognize this religion and he will be mortified on how many people throughout history have morphed his teachings to justify evil deeds.

  16. I think religion/tribalism/Christianity IS the reason why we know these are evil. Do not forget tribalism benefits the most violent ones as they wiped out the least tribal ones.

  17. Type two errors (false positives) being our default assessment as humans to run away from a sound in a bush is the same reason people tend to believe in a god. To be the best human possibly often requires you to reject your innate humanity and be better. Be logical.

  18. Which one was Jebas again? There were like 500 Messiah wandering around begging for food and offering prayers. Pretty sure they were all Jews.

  19. Jesus Christ (peace and blessings be upon him) preached as did his predecessors — Abraham, Moses, and all the others dating back to Adam — that there was one God, whom he showed us how to worship.

    If he saw what "Saint" Saul of Tarsus had done to misrepresent and corrupt that message, and most of all to make him — a man — the object of worship, and all the consequences that followed, he would be dismayed, and would surely disavow every particle of it.

  20. think big and study the holy scriptures, Jesuschrist is not divided nor causes division, men cause division and denominations, christ made all of us Christians, we need to learn from each others different believes, and love one another.

  21. Jesus said follow me, share the good news of the gospel of salvation, I am the truth, the way, and the life, no one get's to the Father but through me. Jesus is a living body, a spirit he dwells in the heart's and soul's of those who believe in him (his people) and we'll wait for his soon return time is short. In the mean time we'll love our neighbors by spreading the news of the one who is Truth and his name is Jesus yeshua the Messiah the king of all Kings and Lord of all Lord's the beginning and the end. The Alfa and the Omega. He's the same yesterday, today, and forever. The corner Stone of humanity. The prince of peace, The Redeemer, our saviour, our rock, our foundation, our light in a dark world, yeshua Jesus Christ we love him because first he loved us.amen, hallelujah.

  22. Saying that a religion based on Christ was started is a clear misunderstanding of how religion come to be. Christianity didn't start, it fractured out of Judaism. The same way all the different christian denomination fractured from Catholicism… So division in this regard is inevitable, it's politics + Mysticism

  23. Every time I hear about the love and compassion of jesus, I think about the time he tossed out an entire temple by whipping them with cords. That always makes me smile 😊

  24. the last thing Jesus would've wanted was people to believe that salvation was within Him when salvation is within The Word. The Truth isn't external, it is internal.

  25. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a SWORD . For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

    Matthew 10:33-35

  26. He has no clue what Jesus wants. He did come to lead people to him, that is why he organized apostles and seventy. This guy needs read the Bible to find out what Christ actually wants.

  27. holds breath
    When I perceive a slice of pizza I am struck only with ideas of a pizza-like fashion. For instance, the appearance of cheese, the smell of tomato sauce, and the feeling of hot grease. Nowhere in these ideas is to be found anything material. Of course if there are ideas, then there must be minds to perceive them, so we can see that, as empiricists, we really only need two ontological commitments: ideas exist and minds exist.

    Great, so that's out of the way. Now we must ask wherein the source of these ideas lies? After all, given the consistency between my ideas of the world and the apparent consistency between my experiences and the experiences of other minds, it stands to reason that their must be some common source behind them.

    Maintaining the ontological simplicity that we already have, there are three possibilities. First, the source of the ideas is my mind. Second, the source of these ideas is some other idea or ideas. Third, the source of these ideas is some other mind.

    The first possibility is implausible, for I do not have the mental capacity to imagine the whole world, yet ideas of the world exist even when I'm not think of them. As well, I cannot help but notice that I have no power to change the ideas the strike me. I cannot force myself to perceive a pizza in the way that I perceive my keyboard in front of me. So I am not the source of the ideas.

    The second idea is unhelpful since it opens us up to an infinite regress with no real explanation in sight.

    That leaves us with only one possibility, that the source of these ideas is some other mind. A very great mind, in fact, that would be capable of imagining all of creation at once. But what could such a mind be besides God? There is nothing else it could be, therefore God exists.

  28. "And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen." Quran(5:116)

  29. In order to answer the titular question, we would first need to figure out who Jesus was, and what his personality was like. That would be a daunting task in itself. Because the stories of him in the Bible are probably like Santa Claus folk lore. We humans have a tendency to take a real person, and heap a bunch of folk lore (i.e. bullshit) on top of them, until the original person is lost in the pile.

  30. I hate to tell you, jesus came to literally divide us 2 in favor or 3 against. He said he is the only way to heaven. And he also said there is no way to get to the father except by way of him. He also said do not doubt why he came here he came to bring the sword! To divide us in opinion 2 in favor or 3 against or possibly the other way around. Jesus doesn't care about your earthly mindedness he wants to save you from eternal damnation and also he is going to destroy this system that has been set up by man and then establish his 1000 year reign. He will usher in a new era were the rule of God is dominant. Jesus came to defeat Satan, the antichrist and the false prophet who will control the minds of the people in later days. And either you will be with jesus or against jesus. Jesus is God the son and your human reasoning is absolutely foolish. In actuality the minds of men are swayed against the ways of God by the evil one because Satan has blinded them to do his bidding. Therefore come unto jesus Christ he is the only way to heaven and the only ruler of this earth now and for forever. Jesus said that the gates of hell will not and cannot prevail against his church and his people. And whosoever believes in him shall not perish but will have eternal life believe in his finished work on the cross where he defeated Satan to draw you out of his kingdom into the ways of god. You my friend are misleading the children of God and playing with things you do not understand. God is concerned with your soul (spirit) and your eternal destiny not your foolish fleshly desires. The foolishness of God is far more intelligent than the wisdom of man. People wake up do not be deceived come into the light of the gospel of jesus Christ our Lord. I can't stress this enough you have no idea how real this is, this isn't a joke or a laughing matter. This is your spirit you are playing with don't listen to a man's wisdom listen to God's wisdom it is the only wisdom that is worth having and the only wisdom that can save your soul from eternal damnation. This is a man who knows so little of God do not listen to his deceit.

  31. I won't debate but will like to point out that while much of what Rob Bell claims Jesus said is true, there are several other things he claims Jesus said that actually contradict Jesus' exact words. In short, Rob Bell is picking and choosing which texts to listen to and which ones to omit from the gospel. Little to no interpretation is needed to know this.

    Lastly, which Jesus would more than likely vomit in His mouth at the state of His church and was rather "anti religion" He still gave instruction to preach good news and make disciples. You can do that without religion but even Jesus used (religious) old testament scriptures to not only support His ideas but also His own deity. His calling for us as His church surpasses religion and philosophy and is actually a beautiful union of the two.

    This video is somewhat helpful at thinking outside the box and considering the state of the church and Jesus' goals but, unfortunately, paints a tainted picture of Jesus' purpose on earth and falls short of His goal- namely why He died and came to life in the first place (as sited by 4 different eye witness accounts). But I guess that's controversial… and if those can't be trust then His entire life story can no longer be trusted and this topic is just banter.

  32. He was Jew. Christianity was a creation of the Roman Emperador Constantine. He stablish the first Council of Nicaea in 325 with all the followers of Jesus who where dispersed around his empire and created the new religion, based in his own religion, the Roman, who had 3 God's, the father, the mother and the son. They invented the Holly Gosh for the Trinity, because didn't consider Mary good enough to be consider as God.

  33. Please read this for any one searching for the truth…
    The truth about bible..
    https://shareislam.com/#!slide-7

    The truth about prophet Jesus peacebe upon him..
    https://www.islamreligion.com/category/69/jesus/
    Any questions ?!
    U r welcome.

  34. 1:20 "something served us well for a while and now you trancendet it, you move beyond it"
    How about religion overall? Can we perhaps transendet it? How about genreally not believing in things that have nothing to do with reality? A moral code does not need supernatural bullshit. Our own fear lets us grasp at straws within superstitions, lets try to have less fear and not hear those who try to spread it.

  35. What we call christianity, was a corruption of the teachings of Jesus, by the very Romans who killed him.. Christianity greatly undermines Jesus teachings, which we are not so sure about at this point.. But what we have is he wanted people to treat each other fairly and love one another.. Most christians hate gay people, the religion has been used to create wars and they are most unfavorable to non-believers often treating them as lesser people and sinners.. I think there is a solid reason, Hebrews don't believe in the man.. The Christ we know today, is just a roman reincarnation of the man.. A mere shadow..

  36. Good point of view about christianity. Jesus was a hippie (for the most part) but his dad was a misogynistic, violent, jealous, power tripping megalomaniac

  37. The answer is yes.
    If there were in fact a real jesus, im sure he would. But anybody with a brain in their head can figure out that the entire bible was written by man and is filled with unbelievable lies to control people.
    Seriously, a devil with horns living in the earth
    Cmon !!!!

  38. But was Jesus really necessary??? During a time where Epicureanism was spreading throughout Europe.

    That philosophy itself was teaching people to love thy neighbor, And the fundamentals of happiness.

  39. Rob Bell:
    "I don't think he came to create another division, where people could say "Are you this? Or not this?"… 

    Our Lord's words, Mathew 10:34:
    "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth; I have come to bring a sword, not peace."

  40. Christianity was created by the council of Nicea among other councils. The bible was taken off Kemet (Egypt, Africa) by Greeks and Romans. That is why you do not find any body of Moses, Abraham, Jacob, etc. yet we do find mummies to this date that we study them and put them on European museums, and history has been changed by the victors. That is why the church tells you that Africa is evil and devil worshippers because they know if you look over there you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

  41. This guy really doesn't know what He's talking about.

    No, Jesus didn't want what modern Christendom is, but He wasn't this inclusive pacifist liberal hippie either. He wants a people that will serve His Father, a people that will seek His Way and walk by it. He absolutely came to divide, but the brothers from the rest of the world.

    Rob Bell doesn't know the Lord, his words demonstrate this, and thus isn't qualified to answer this question.

  42. Why is this even a valid question? Who gives a shit? All religion is poison. Youd sound no less ridiculous by asking "Would Santa want Christmas?" "Would the Easter Bunny want egg hunts?" "Does the Boogeyman want you to buy a night light?" Let's stop bothering with contemplation over fairy tales, shall we?

  43. I feel like this video should be a 1 to 2 second video 🤦🏾‍♂️. The answer it’s so obvious 😂😂.

  44. Jesus opposed the institutionalized religion of His time. As soon as we try to institutionalize something like faith, we kill it.

  45. These days Religion has divided and destroyed people more than ever.
    Following humanity is the best than following religion. I am sure doors of heaven will be closed for religious possessiveness that’s causing serious harm to many communities.

  46. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." – Jesus Matthew 10:34

  47. Jesus was trying to spread Islam as a prophet and not Christianity. When they tried to tie him to the cross, Allah replaced him with a person who looked like him and took Jesus up to the heavens away from Earth and is still alive. In the unknown future, he will return to Earth. This is what Muslims believe in. We also believe in being nice with your neighbor and Prophet Muhammad advises being good with our neighbors.

  48. Jesus was a great guy, but he was also a peasant who was literally born in a barn. the world just ain't that simple. even Ghandi was assassinated and started a race war you know, and don't even get me started on Martin Luther's divides, these holy men of peace sure do start allot of violence.

    Wanna know who my Messiah is? motherhumping Ghengis Khan,

    because NOBODY hurt their new neighbours in his empire.

  49. You may think what you like but I suggest actually reading what he said he came for. hint: it is not what you are saying.

  50. Oh if I could sit down with Rob Bell and a Bible for a couple hours…..what wonderful truths I could show him!

  51. The first 2 minutes of this 'Christian video' and the sad deluded former Pastor is talking about 'evolution'. I wanted to cry; he never knew Jesus, he is just leading people away from God with his false man-made teaching. I am praying you humble yourself, repent, and accept the true gospel, not the false one you promote, which lets you do what you want without any moral responsibility. What your saying about the nature and character of Jesus, is not in the Bible, it's in your own head. I note that new agers like Rob Bell (with a Christian wrapping) are easy to spot as they talk only about the love and goodness of God, not that he is holy, righteous, and just, and cannot allow sin to live in his presence. Why should God allow a child rapist, a serial killer, a beheader, a kidnapper, a murderer enter heaven who has not repented? What about good old Charles Manson that remained angry and unrepentant to the end? If the wicked were allowed into heaven; they would pollute and corrupt the place, and because God is good and just, he cannot allow the evil, wicked and sinful into heaven. Shalom.

  52. 2:55 This man vs what Jesus actually said …. See for yourselves.

    Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

    This Rob Bell heretic is so easily refuted, people open up your bibles and see for yourselves.

    2 Peter 2: 1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

  53. its a much bigger question that has been over simplified and cant be answered in a 4:12 video as Rob would lead you to believe.

  54. The bible was never enough for this man. He never believed it was the word of God. Of he did, he wouldn't have gone away so far. Maybe he was never of us.

  55. if all jesus really came for was to "remind of us of our shared humanity", how is it that he never used words that said so?….but instead spoke unceasingly of sin, of separation from the father because of sin, and finally that he was the only path back to the father……the only cure for sin.  rob bell does not acknowledge sin…not really.  he avoids talking about it, pretty much always.  rob bell does not only deny sin…..in his denial of sin, and the need for payment for sin, he denies Christ.  it's a mathematical equation.  rob bell is not a Christian, so who really cares whether or not he thinks jesus would have "wanted Christianity"?

  56. You speak as if you don't think God is and has been in complete control. (IE:Suggesting Jesus would not want a "religion" about him.) You also speak as if you don't believe JESUS is that God. Everything you say shows YOUR complete lack of faith in the forgiveness of sins and Jesus' willingness to die on the cross. Guys like ROB BELL are who the BIBLE warned US about in the end times, people trying to steer people away from the faith.

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